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As in the title, I'm curious to know "why players act in a certain way - when put offers by exchange as an example" for cup of coffee or tea, I will write "a little" about how players can buy something only so that the "neighbor" does not have it, because to look for logic in it and justify overpaying

It's natural to break prices offers when player needs a certain number of resource materials (a luxurious price for express sales is fully justified). Same as breaking them for items that you buy once for an extended period (EQ, rare cards, and other luxury items). But it's still amazing how players can't cooperate when it comes to regulating prices on exchange, such popular items as evil eyes, flamians, luxites, cents, incs, items from collections (will, suppression, or concentration), and even... caskets and now a little bit with the last ones.

Almost all of them are bought by locksmiths, which is perfectly logical. But I don't understand, however, why everyone pulls to his own selfishness? Every day, offers for caskets are breaken by successive players, instead of setting a certain price together, following it and encouraging potential newcomers to do so. Most sellers who do it by exchange, to put it bluntly, don't make much difference whether they get 25s more or less for a sale - and if they feel the price is too low, they can always ask a priv locksmith to pay more, they can put up for auction after " overpriced " and also... (shocked) go and open it by locksmith and gives him a chance for promotion.

http://warofdragons.com/artifact_info.php?artikul_id=18931 and http://warofdragons.com/artifact_info.php?artikul_id=18932 in last weeks, prices have been reach about 1.65g - just because 2 players can't cooperate you really don't understand, that higher price don't make more pcs on server, or what's wrong with you? Anyway, it reaches the limit of profitability - great job...future locksmiths lvl ~135 will be grateful to you, just like lvl ~105 in PL per few last years.

I'm playing COM just about few weeks, after merge/fusion. Few times NOBODY had an offer for several of the caskets, and this is the clearest proof that there is no great pressure that one locksmith has to fight another for a piece of the them - you really can't understand it, or what's hard with this? So when i Was here (exchange) alone, then I rise a little price of caskets (compared to what was in PL - because the resource materials here are also a bit more expensive, so a slightly higher pay for caskets was reasonably) which was also little bit lower than COM players had proposed for the previous days - and what? I was sold over a dozen boxes within 3 hours, but few hours later COM players couldn't bear the sight and of course they break my price by 1s no matter if the price would be 1.5g or 1.9g or even 2.3g ... they just mindlessly raise by 1s to be on top - but the problem is that when everyone thinks like this selfishly, neither of you will be at the top for more than a moment, even though you are already raising the price by 50% of the real value of the product

Therefore, I encourage players to post prices at mutually agreed and affordable prices that will be profitable for both sellers and buyers, and the profession of a locksmith will still have the possibility of real earnings, rather than doing another dead (non-earning) profession after the healer and executioner. Of course, the other side of the coin is that some are satisfied with this condition (the sellers) and if they are saved in this way by more 1,5g per week - congratulations on a lifetime achievement however remember that sooner or later you will need evil eyes, mentioned fragments of the collection (yesterday for 1,1g? Today for 40s? Tommorow for 75s? No problemo), or something else and it will suddenly turn out that you will not be able to buy anything for weeks only because someone who breaks your price by 1s will collect 30 items during this time.

PS Think for yourself - on average, do you prefer to buy the same caskets as others for an example of 1.8g ... or buy less and at a higher price, e.g. 2.2g? Because this is what your logic leads to - if everyone will do this, you will buy even less because someone will always be on top for a longer time with a better price
PS 2 It's a pity that most players prefer to sell to those who are so mindlessly outbid others, thus promoting such a 1s raising, but this is the seller's right and everyone have to respect it - at this point, respect for those who are appreciated by those who put offers first and understand that with a difference of 1s for the sale will not get poorer
PS 3 Don't be selfish by putting sick offers on 50-100 caskets - you are not alone, give everyone a chance to buy...5-10 pcs will be ok (the same for any resources, like placed offer for few thousands of stones, fishes etc, resources which already someone alse want to buy)
PS 4 I'm new in this forum, if there is a place better suited to the post - sorry and please put it there

@ lol666

Thanks for the answer(s), but that was not the topic I met a lot of players that break prices by 1m, but that is not the point raising any such symbolic value is objectively stupid especially in the case of repeated purchases, examples of which I wrote about before.

The point is, breaking for such a small amount is analogous to joigning others on a wercida/rainbows. How is one different from the other? Why on misty islands (correctly?) players can talk and get along to "reserve" mobs for themselves, they can not disturb each other, and why it is so hard to use their brains to get along on the exchange/market - in the context of long-term purchase of everyday items, such as the mentioned evil eyes, cents, inks or caskets?

I'm not get mad, because I'm not active player since about 2016, nowadays I only log in, talk with friends, and (on PL) just try to keep right prices for caskets - which was useful for new locksmith, who want to buy caskets by exchange. Despite the fact, I haven't attacked mobs for several years, I have already few thousands of gold and about several thousand of golds in some resources, elixirs, etc... - is that reason for boast? No, because most players from higher lvl probably have the same, or could have if they wanted to... but this is a fact, thanks to which I could give offers (for example, 3g) for each casket and most likely, with the exception of individual players, others would stop buying them - the only question is WHY should I do this?

I just want players to respect each other and not create sick pay stacks. And the price changing you are talking about? Sorry, but if one day the price of an item starts from 1.8g to 2.3g in the evening and changes 100 times within 50s during one week, so it is not a natural course of things and a change in the value of the product, but instability caused by the title stupidity or the egoism of the players.

@ lol666

You can laugh, but from the point of view of the influence on the player of what I described - seriously, I'm one of the last players to whom it can be harmful I don't play actively, even if I want to fight for a moment (PVM or even PVP), I'm player which developed enough to have fun better than most at the same level... but one more time - that's not the point. The sooner you understand, the less reason you will have to *beep*. Any changes I'm talking about can only help lower level players, even like you - just use your brain ;x

Also you can laugh down, you can write nonsense about some list of price, how much should items cost etc - but it would be enough to add offers with the same price as player who previously issued the offer (and in the case of a completely different vision, how much is the object worth, using the chat), is that such a problem or only a few players from PL have the option of using the chat? Players simply find it more convenient to make a higher offer and have everything in their backs, they prefer to overpay for something, as long as someone else does not buy it. Well, now the exchange, maybe in the future we will see times when one will fight each other (mobs) and then there will also be a reason to laugh - but problably only for me

We have lived to see the times when stupidity is glorified and thinking mocked nice Feo, fat times

@ Hakan The Khan

Thanks for the valuable comment. Yes, who did it first is important, and sometimes I break someone else offer, but only in situation when he broke my offer first, in fact I want to cooperate with others, but don't be surprised that I can respond the same. It's pretty logical, that when no one is wrong towards me, I don't need to do it to him. I understand these human (greed) nature, I just pay attention to the banal cause-and-effect relationship, situations with method A in which you buy 50 caskets for 1,7g and at the same time using the B method the same 50 caskets for 2,2g if the selfish action leads you to get a worse end result, it is simply a blunt solution where the selfish loses - the paradox that probably not everyone notices and everyone loses, I mean, everyone except sellers

@ Dee - original nick from PL

You are still actively playing and wasting time in a game that has been crashng for several years...? So I have bad news for you - unfortunately it's too late for you, belive me

Nobody cares...? Ask any locksmith with about 135lvl (or on any other example - a player increasing reputation), would he prefer to buy caskets for 1,2g or 1,6g then find out how many you need to open to finish another promotion - the described situation is currently happening with caskets lvl 120 and especially 135 - just look and check (magmar's) at the stock exchange. Maybe you've been playing so long that you've managed to build up most of your reps, so it's right there for you when players break through - but don't measure everyone with your measure and your perspective well, unless spending more on achieving the same is just "theory", so congratulations and we really have nothing to discuss, just for a bit different reasons than you thought

@ Hazzelinko
@ --SLY--

Thank you for the answers - I respect the opinion.

Maybe the fact (caskets) I have quoted is specific and is different from the others. Well, while you can actually talk about the aspect of supply and demand in the case of evil eyes, cents, inks, etc. in the case of buying caskets it is very limited. Why? A player who buys this way has 2 ways to make a profit:
1. Locksmith lvl advance - and even let it not be subject to any market price, I would understand (I will also talk about it later)
2. Earnings from the profession - and unfortunately, you can come up with reasons, look for excuses, but here the price of the item should always depend on the game and its conditions. Why? Since you have a certain value of cash inside, and materials/items, the price of which you can estimate if you have already opened a lot (and since you already involve the stock exchange, you can clearly determine this value of profitability), so it is logical that after proposing a certain price, it simply isn't profitable.

Few days ago I was talking about "gray boxes" (120 & 135 lvl), so on the example of the more expensive ones - after opening you get about 1.35g and resources/elixirs worth another ~30s (it depends, I'm giving the average value - but the total profit is therefore 1.65g), why is it so hard to understand - that a player who put offer at a similar price or even higher - doesn't benefit from it, but also takes away this opportunity from others? In the "higher lvl" caskets it is even worse, because there a possible breaking of a lockpick costs even a few golds, not 20s (and this should also be taken into account when calculating profitability). Reducing this to the "demand-supply" principle is wrong by definition, because it ignores the fact that the CONTENT OF THE BOX IS ALWAYS SPECIFIC, I mean you know which of several things can fall out and you can judge its value. And we are not talking about items whose prices fluctuate every now and then, and above all about resource materials whose prices (with individual, temporary exceptions) can be unchanged for X months

Some people may think that if I posted this post and I'm short on COM, it means that I didn't play the game, or I didn't meet any people - and you are right, you just think so, wrong it was mentioned that you can't cooperate like that because someone will always disbelieve and it will fall like a house of cards - I agree, but this is still an excuse, because it is up to us (cooperation) it depends, just as it depends only on us whether we will join each other on a wercida/ rainbow or not. So why you can get along there, and not here? After all, it is an analogous situation in which it depends only on the will of each of us whether we act in the A way (we get the offer at the same price) or in the B way (we raise, showing others that they can also beat us - and finally ourselves we will suffer from it), in both situations "systems" allow us to make choice - why in wercida we can cooperate, and can't on exchange?

Most players (locksmiths) in PL cooperated in this way, with some minor exceptions, this situation lasted even for months - a matter of goodwill and understanding that by acting in someone else's way, you can come out with more benefit than by acting your own way without thinking. When someone disagreed and breaking price, he had to reckon with the fact that the same could happen to him and thus it was more difficult (more expensive and slower) to buy the boxes he wanted - some did not understand it and did not want to buy boxes at specific prices (~1,6g - in Poland they were lower, because the materials were also a bit cheaper), whining about the free market - it remains to ask, did you want the free market and you were crying about it thoughtlessly? Now, welcome to COM, where everyone can makes an offer for 2.5-3g, and then think about whether it is better to have the same 2x more or 2x cheaper? and as I mentioned earlier - some players will not see the problem, people who only sell boxes, after all, more money goes to their wallet

What about players who only treat boxes on the stock exchange as a means to advance quickly? In PL, it was enough to mention it, talk about it, and sometimes (especially public-name offers) I talked myself and I was able to take off / limit my own offers, and ask others to do the same, who followed the common rules. So, it was a matter of getting along and cooperating so that a person who goes public on the short term for specific boxes could do it relatively easily and quickly.

And what is the situation of the "gray" boxes I talked about earlier? In magland last 3-4 weeks, they are regularly bought by only 2 players who can raise the price a day several times for 1s, and for a few days it starts from about 1.2g to 1.7g only for someone to finally understand that "oh it has gone too far" and re-issue 1.2g, and then the latter raises it again to 1.21g and we go further without drawing any conclusions. What's coolest? That these players do not have a chance to advance locksmith lvl, so they do it strictly for profit yes, with two of them can lead to a situation in which opening the box is max 5s profit, instead of cooperating, not breaking through each other and collecting several times more profit, well, cool - we justify it with empty slogans "free market" when a "new player" comes, who wants just to increase the locksmith lvl, he will definitely be happy, knowing that he is spending about 40% more than each box... but remember, the slogan "free market" and it already relieves you of thinking

@ Gwenpool

Look, a lot of people won't read it because they don't enter the forum (or they only do it in terms of events and games) and I know it. On the other hand, if for someone it is a feat and a problem to read a text longer than 3 sentences, it probably shows badly about him... and if he/she has a problem with it, probably won't even understand what we're talking about

http://warofdragons.com/artifact_info.php?artikul_id=18931 ~ 1,9g
http://warofdragons.com/artifact_info.php?artikul_id=18932 ~ 1,86g

Above are the current prices (exchange) of the above-mentioned boxes, the highest in a month on exchange (resulting from the addition of several more buyers). From the boxes you can get the value that I estimated above (1.5g - silver and 1.65g - gold), and this is the maximum profitability limit. So how (especially experts on the blunt slogan "free market" which supposedly entitles to everything, even mindless) you explain - why:

1) boxes whose contents are identical, except for a 15s shift in favor of gold box... are at such a price that the silver ones are even more expensive?
2) do players buy items at a price that is not profitable? Well, unless you sell 120lvl resources every day for 4s, and blood and vampire elixirs for 1.5s and power for 1s - then I wish you return to earth (but looking at your "ideal prices in the stock market" this is not the case, yaay)

(It's short and to the point some ignorant people will not get it anyway, and for someone who would like to understand it - there were messages above)